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Songs that touch ...
by talesin incan be mushy ... .
or can be craaazyyy ... .
okay, i'll start :).
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How much does it really cost to run an Assembly Hall? Real data.
by Paralipomenon inin canada, any corporation registered as a charity is public information.
i occassionaly browse them to see what's going on, but i wanted to give some updated data.. http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/chrts-gvng/lstngs/menu-eng.html.
if you are curious, you can type in jehovah, or assembly or circuit to get tax information (including donations and expenses) for all of them.. for their assembly halls it shows much of what has been already told.
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The total of all the land and buildings in Canada is only $4 mil? PALTRY - that doesn't sound right...or is that 4 BIL?
Sorry, just realized this is for the assembly hall only - ok I guess 4 million covers it...
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Elder body removed Watchtower letter
by Marvin Shilmer inelder body removed watchtower letter.
an elder body was removed last year in california.
most folks have never seen a watchtower letter breaking this news.
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No, I guess I should...
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Elder body removed Watchtower letter
by Marvin Shilmer inelder body removed watchtower letter.
an elder body was removed last year in california.
most folks have never seen a watchtower letter breaking this news.
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WOW - fascinating reading...not sure if I've commented on this situation before on an earlier thread, but this sounds eerily similar to something that happened in our neck of the woods about 5 or 6 years ago.
Had some new blood (elders) move into the congo, and all of a sudden one of the long-standing elders gets put on reproof - very disconcerting to the whole congregation. Palpable tension at each and every meeting between elders and congo. One of the elders moves out in a huff - lock, stock and barrel. Another newer elder leaves in disgust, wondering why 'he had ever moved in."
Next thing you know newly imported elder #1 presents some resolution at 9:45 p.m. after the theocratic ministry school/service meeting about changing the trustees for the KH. Everybody, of course, just wants to get sh*t over with so they can go home and of course, like TheListener says, almost every rank & file member's hand is up in favour. (Little kids have to be reminded that it's only baptized members' hands that should be raised). As I recall, I smelled a rat right then and there - refused to put my hand up, and loudly said "I don't have enough information on this matter to vote one way or the other" to anyone within earshot. I remember thinking "why should I rubber stamp the removal of trusted trustees and install new ones that seem to be all slime?"
Now in hindsight, was it just COINCIDENTAL that THE big topic of ongoing status reports after monthly theocratic ministry school/service meetings was the excitement of selling the hall and building a completely new one (in the local business/commercial district, as most new halls seem to be placed). Geeze, building a new hall is about the only excitement there is as a witness, and even that sucks...
In this case, eventually the elder on reproof gets reinstated, the elder that moved out moves back in, there's a reshuffle of the elder body and the congo should just 'get on with it all'.
Starting to sense a pattern - could this be the worldwide modus operandi? Might OPRAH be interested?
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Songs that touch ...
by talesin incan be mushy ... .
or can be craaazyyy ... .
okay, i'll start :).
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What do you think of this argument?
by Druid ini stopped being a jw altogether when i went into college and took philosophy classes and started thinking for myself.
i understand a lot of you former jw's are still theists, in fact it seems probably the majority of you are.
i am agnostic, meaning i don't feel there is enough evidence for against either cause to subscribe my lifestyle to one belief.. .
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OK, I liked your argument - especially the first one.
When I was only 7 or 8 years old and doubting the existence of God, my agnostic parent used a similar argument to get me to actually BELIEVE! Today, after my 40+ years with the WBTS, I am an agnostic myself (although I lean toward belief in a higher power). The gist of the argument was that an ant, crawling around on a dining room chair, would have no comprehension of the fact that the surface it was crawling on was in a diningroom because its 'brain' was too limited to fathom that large and complex an entity, literally 'outside its experience'. Similarly, we roam the earth, as well as the universe, but God is so large and all-consuming, our small brains can't fathom his size nor existence. I couldn't argue with that one! So I continue to 'believe', but of course, as you say, coincidences can look like 'miracles'.
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Could you eat breakfast after watching this at Bethel?
by Dogpatch inthis is a partial video of the morning breakfast table in brooklyn bethel in the late 80s, with lyman swingle hosting... the governing body member who at first tried to shelter ray franz from disfellowshipping, but then within a year or two his spirit was broken and he was a bitter man.. randy (i was there and it was death-dealing, like the death eaters from harry potter!).
address of windows media file if you don't see anything:.
http://www.randytv.com/swinglebreakfast.wmv.
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That was one of the most painful things I've ever had to watch and listen to, EVER. Imagine the speaker (whoever he is) having to check his papers to see what day it is. GAWD...yawn...listening to all that drivel and then on and on about the German Bethel printing facilities as if the world spins on how much (blech) 'spiritual food' is being produced, while your freshly prepared physical food turns as cold and as bland as the spiritual tripe on offer.
We have family members who reminisce about their days 'IN Bethel' - yeah, I guess when you're there, you're IN as in 'IN prison'. They regale us with info that 'you are only privy to if you are IN', what nonsense! Sounds more like morning business meetings with updates on production numbers and hype to "DO MORE". Who needs it? Next time I'm subjected to their blatherings, I'll let them know that this sh*te is up on the 'net' and it's not all they'd like to crack it up to be. Could be enlightening for them to know this drivel is OUT THERE for all the world to see.
Thanks for sharing.
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Songs that express feelings towards Watchtower
by discreetslave inhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjffzqtlwrq&nr=1.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcNwob_njTY
Awesome bagpipes halfway through and at the end too (if you love the pipes, as I do!)
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Watching the Leadership Crumble
by Damn The Watchtower ini watch the watchtower leaders crumble, slowly crumble.
one nonsensical move after the other.
you have no idea how this makes me feel.
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All the WTBTS needs now is a 'Luther' to post the 95 theses on the 'Wittenberg church door', namely the official JW website - there's a reason you can't leave comments on the official website; if you could, the WHOLE EDIFICE would come crumbling down - tipping point, HERE WE COME
Great thread.
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Elders School 2010/11
by Mr Moody inhad some fun recently talking to an elder i know and he mentioned about the elders school he would be going to in december.
you should have seen his face when i said i bet he was looking forward to the new elders manual that he would be getting...
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Just have to put in my 2c about what I heard about Knorr when my family first came in.
Apparently, and this went all around the congregations, as I recall: Knorr was out in service and at some door, the householder asked him what he was doing proseletizing while the President of the JW's was probably lolling around in his air-conditioned office and doing nothing - at which point Knorr replied "I am the President!" Supposedly a true story...yes, he was the President but oh, so humbly, put in his 10 hrs per month just like the rest of the schlepps...
This was an example let us all know that no one is exempt from publishing the good news - not even the President of the Society - anybody else out there remember this one?